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Im thinking of trying to replace the bulbs only. Placing them in my origanal indictors. Some LED bulbs have 100 plus tiny lights in them. i will also get the LED indicator relay As i read they wont work properly without the LED relay. Its only a thought as yet. If i go ahead i will make a report.  PS: the length of the bulb maybe a problem. 



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Why? confuse

Does your original indicator set not work?

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Can't tell you if the LED bulb fits so you're on your own there, but...

You will need a 2 pin 12V LED flasher relay or the indicators will flash fast.

You can buy one like the one in the link below if you do not want to cut the original wiring..

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2007-2012-Honda-CBR-600RR-2-Pin-LED-Flasher-Relay-/261077306262?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cc96b8b96

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Why? confuse

Does your original indicator set not work?

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 My original set work fine in a dimly lit garage or on a dull overcast day. Theres alot of bright blue sky days here and when ridding into the sun approching round abouts i like to think that the other vehicals can see my indication as easily as possible. The old hand signals work great, but as half way through a corner , braking , useing the clutch , motor cars all aroung you , i like to keep both hands on the handle bars. Its dog eat dog on roundabouts , if they dont see your indication they will shoot out when you have the right of way. its abit of customising my bike i guess. But my main concern is saftey...... Thanks Jarrah , i wil look into that relay. 



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Simply question, how do I completely remove the rear indicators on my bike (2004 TTR-250)

 

I don't want to ruin any of the electrics so I have to be sure. I removed the brackets and the indicators are now dangling from the wire. What do I do next?

 



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You have done the hard bit.

All you need to do now is pop the bullet connectors out up under the mudguard on the rear and behind the headlight at the front wink

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Thanks, sounds simple enough,  I will have a go at it in the morning.

The luggage rack I have just installed is restricting the indicators so I'm forced to remove them. I'm going to have to upgrade to some aftermarkets ones... something I've been wanting to do anyway.

 

Cheers, will update in the morning.



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Okay so I've had a look...

 

I've found rubber tubes that you suggested where the connectors it looks like this http://i.imgur.com/WT8nhPg.jpg kind of. So I just pull from one end to disconnect them?

 

As for the the other ones I am kind of confused, do I need to take the headlight out? Sorry I'm not the most mechanically minded person, I'm trying to learn though. 

 

See here wires running along the frame of the bike http://i.imgur.com/b5h9oFa.jpg



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To remove the indicators from the front, you need to remove the headlight shroud to get to the wires. This thread may help with this- http://ttr250.activeboard.com/t48039852/headlights-surrounds-types-bulbs-etc/

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I have had a search through my photos and these are the best that I can find to show where the bullet connectors are and what the look like. The pics show the RH connectors but it will be easy enough to look the other side for the LH ones wink

If you follow the wiring from the indicators they will be the first connectors you find.

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I found them! Yes! Thank you so much, you're  a legend my friend. 

 

While looking for them I've discovered more of the wire coiled and zip tied out of the way. This extra length of wire is enough to let my original indicators sit where I need them to be with the rack mounted. I ordered LED indicators last night before I went to bed so now that I know how to remove the old ones we'll be in business.

 

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  I ordered LED indicators last night before I went to bed so now that I know how to remove the old ones we'll be in business.

 

Thanks again!!


If you are going to use LED indicators, you will need an LED flasher relay. Without it the indicators will flash too fast.

Here is a link to help with fitment-http://ttr250.activeboard.com/t55543721/flasher-unit/

This is for the LED indicator relay that is needed- http://ttr250.activeboard.com/t55457936/led-indicator-bulb-only-advice-plez/

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I have a suspicion that the coiled up wire is probably for a number plate light so won't help you with the indicators. What colour are the wires on it?

On a WR250R I bought, the indicators flashed too quickly as the LEDs in the Zeta handguards don't have sufficient resistance. I ordered up a pair of resistors from eBay and they arrived in time (from China) for me to fit them whilst I was finishing off sorting out fitting some Dakar handlebars.

Fitting the resistors was very hit and miss until I was informed that LEDs are polarity conscious which explained a lot. Up until that point, I just couldn't understand why the LEDs would work one minute and not the next - wasted ages on that disbelief

The pic below shows one of the resistors wired in.

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The instructions with the resistors said they needed to be fitted to a metal backing to help dissipate heat. I am a bit sceptical about that as they already have a big heat sink but I have zip tied them to the fork leg just in case!

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There are a lot of wires involved but I think the installation looks fairly tidy.

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Job done!

I would imagine that the work would be almost identical on the TTR so I hope that helps.

Brian

PS Another owner found and fitted an LED-specific flasher relay (see http://www.narva.com.au/products/search?search=68251BL ) which might be easier but I haven't investigated it myself - also see http://ttr250.activeboard.com/t49192492/my-indicators-flash-finally/

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68251BL Blister Pack

12 Volt 3 Pin L.E.D Electronic Flasher with Pilot

 

Suitable for L.E.D indicator lamps. Operates at ultra low current of 1mA (0.02 watts) or higher currents to a maximum of 2.5 amps per side (30 watts) where a mix of L.E.D and incandescent globes might be used

NB: Use in L.E.D lamp applications as a direct replacement for P/No. 68213BL

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Not to step on your toes Brian but if you use the Halogen 3-pin relay pictured in your post above, you will either need to cut the original wiring and fit connectors, or make a special 2 pin plug with two female spade connectors and fit it to the wiring loom and relay. When you try to plug the relay into the wiring harness you will see what I mean as it will not plug in. One of the 3-pins would not be used (unless fitting additional indicators) so it seems pointless to use a 3-pin relay anyway.

If using the 2-pin relay mentioned in the link I left (pictured below), it is plug-and-play. All you would need to do is plug it in and fit the rubber holder to the relay (as fitted standard).

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With something like this (pictured below), the only problem would be that the rubber will not fit around the relay to hold it. A bolt or a few cable ties would sort that though-

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As you can see from the picture below, the TTR250 uses the same connector block as above, unlike the WR that uses a three pin relay with male spade connectors (as pictured in Brian's post above).

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This is the link to the hassle free 2-pin relay (plug-and-play)- http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2007-2012-Honda-CBR-600RR-2-Pin-LED-Flasher-Relay-/261077306262?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cc96b8b96&clk_rvr_id=554188362216

This is the link to the 2-pin relay that will plug into the wiring loom (plug-and-play)but fitment to the bike will need to be improvised - http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/YAMAHA-3-Pin-LED-FLASHER-RELAY-LED-FLASH-RATE-FIX-/360288317139?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item53e2db6ed3

This is for the WR type 3-pin relay that is a HASSLE to fit to the wiring harness without a spare male connector block handy- http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Motorcycle-LED-Indicator-RELAY-3-PIN-WRELED02-/330932813339?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item4d0d21fe1b

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Your not stepping on my toes Jarrah. As I said in my post, the information was from another owner's thread and I did point out that I hadn't investigated it myself.

It's great that you have done the research and that you are able to recommend appropriate relays. Much easier than buying and fitting the resistors as I did biggrin

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Your not stepping on my toes Jarrah.


  That's good to know Brian thumbsup.gif

The links that I left are only for visual purposes as you should be able to find them cheaper. For example, here is a link to the hassle free LED 2-pin relay- http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Indicator-Relay-2-pin-YAMAHA-R1-R6-KAWASAKI-/300563172197?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item45faf60b65

Here is a good picture of the plug-and-play 2-pin LED relay in the link above (for future reference)-

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Fitting the resistors instead of a flasher relay seems like a hassle, but each to their own. wink

Jarrah

PS. does this thread now has enough info to warrant being a sticky?

 



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Now a sticky!

Is it best I delete all reference to the 68251BL? That would seem sensible.

What we need now is feedback from Dominic as to what he actually uses and if it works properly.

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Is it best I delete all reference to the 68251BL? That would seem sensible.

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 Yes and no Brian. It does work if you have a spare connector block lying around but the wiring schematics is not as per the diagram. As mentioned, one of the 3-pins would not be used (unless fitting additional indicators). In other words, the ''pilot'' pin in the diagram would not be used.

In theory the Yamaha R1 relay will work Brian, the only problem that I can see is that the power feed from the battery may be on the wrong side of the Yamaha R1 plug (not likely). This would be easily overcome by taking the connectors out from the connector block and switching the wires around. To do this- the connector has a release tab down one side of it. Release the tab with the small screwdriver by pushing it down the one side of connector and push the connector out gently. Sometimes all that is needed is just to release the release tab and it comes out without gentle persuasion.

Just a side note for owners with the older 1993~1999 Open Enduro models- these bikes are brought out with a 3-pin relay that needs an earth/ground. They still use the same connector block but have an extra connector that goes to ground. However, by rights you wont have any trouble as the newer 1999~2013 2-pin relay does not need a ground/earth, therefore it will work.

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Got the LED bulbs. Think there is 102 tiny LED bulbs in them  ,  (they arnt any brighter ) but i guess i wont have a blown bulb for ten years and the power usage is alot less. Also got a cheap LED flasher on ebay From China. 3 bucks. Bulbs 8 bucks a pair. With the Led Flasher i had to cut and change the connecter plug to fit. Bulbs only just fit into original yamaha indicators , the two phillips head screws had to be removed so i could angle the new Led bulb in. 



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Also got a LED pilot light bulb Which isnt as bright as the orginal bulb. tottal cost was $20. All from china. Not much really but i wouldnt do it again as no real improvement. 



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Interesting thread this, so thought I might add my 3 penneth to it wink

I couldn't find the relay in Jarrah's poat apart from on the Aussie ebay site, but I did find a 2 pin relay that purported to be a replacement for the Yam relay but suitable for LED operation. It didn't work at all furious

Plus, it turns out that my relay has 3 PINS so Brian's would have been a good idea to start with.

Having missed Brian's post for some reason though, I bought a 3 pin "flasher relay" with the correct fitting, but which had an extra wire connected with a connector on theend designed to be screwed on somewhere, but I couldn't get that to work either furious

So I then bought a 3 pin "flasher" relay similar to the one in Brian's post, but that didn't work either !!!!!

Total cost so far, about £15 furious 

Finally, I bought some resistors. They say you might need one per lamp, so I bought 4, total cost £6.38. fitting one to each side at the rear sorted the job out, and I have a couple of spare's biggrin biggrin

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181462503819?_trksid=p2060778.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

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Will this be a plug and play relay for the TTR ?

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It looks good but see here i.e. be prepared to send it back if it doesn't work no

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Thanks for the info, i might go with resistors like i fitted to my Tenere.

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Iv'e found a solution that works very well, i took the gamble and ordered the relay.
This is the relay www.ebay.co.uk/itm/INDICATOR-FLASHER-RELAY-YAMAHA-R1-R6-FOR-LED-BULBS-/281075300819

It has 3 pins but the one does nothing, the earth wire needs connecting and it fits to the original mounting rubber. A led instrument panel bulb is also needed

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251501995374%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Here's a pic of the relay mounted 

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Hi Guys, I am currently unable to get a warrant of fitness for my bike to ride it on the road as they say the signals flash too fast.  The bike (2006 TTR250) has original indicators on the front and LED retro fitted ones on the rear.  

I am being told that the addition of the Led's has caused the flasher to respond in this manner.

Ok, so I buy an IC Flasher relay. it has 3 wires , ground  (black) , yellow (battery) red (to signals).  There are only 2 wires that plug into the original relay a brown and a brown with white strip.  So I connect the ground connect the battery and plug the red into the brown with the red strip and wa la it bloody worked and slowed the indicator speed down however it also made the green indicator light on the dash stay illuminated.  Tried it on the other wire and it made my head light and tail light flash so obviously not that one.  

Before I had the chance to try to connect it in conjunction with the original flasher unit I accidentally touched the red to the body of the bike and she sparked and fried my $35 relay before I had a chance to try it in conjunction with the original relay. Before I rush out and buy another IC flasher relay.......

This is the question -  Do you need to run it in conjunction with the original one?  I am going to guess yes but was wondering if anyone can confirm it for me.

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Bad luck with the relay!

Locky seems to have found a solution - see here

I have used the simpler solution of adding resistors as shown in the thread and they work fine. It took me a while to realise that LED bulbs are polarity conscious disbelief

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You can also get inline resistors to slow down your flasher speed

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Thanks for your help guys. This relay purchased from my local Yamaha shop did the trick. Removed the stock flasher and connected this one up the RIGHT way this time. Was easy Yellow to Brown, (battery) Red to Brown/white (signals), Black ground.

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its me again the not so bright guy from montana. I bought  some led flush mount turn lights for the back of my 2006 us model.  i have power from my aftermarket turn switch/horn/hi /low beam on my handle bar. so my front light works. my tail lights light up when i flip the switch either right or left. but i cant make them blink. i bought a led flasher unit, round unit with two leads on it. i wired it inbetween connections and it wont flash, and barely lights up.  is there a way to make a bike without stock turn lights work?  i have researched online, but to no avail.



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not sure how you have got it wired, but a simple diagram attached



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what is the bl ?  a relay i am wired like that

 



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Hey team, just resurrecting the dead thread here - neither of the plug and play relay links above work. Anyone have a link to one that doesn't require rewiring? I've got some spare led bulbs in the shed so I thought why not? ;)

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These do not require re-wiring, simply plug the indicator bullets into the female side, and plug the resistors bullets into the loom!

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/322337751586  - or search for "Pair Inline Resistors for LED Indicators 12v"


There are obviously others you can get for cheaper, but i have a set of these on my TTR to control my micro led indicators. Just need to tuck them away with some cable ties.



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Replaced my two front bulbs with 10w led chips off eBay 

super bright - solder the wires on and silicon in there - the brightest flashers I’ve ever seen possibly even annoying 

will need resistors or a new flasher can before I do the back ones my only concern is they may be too bright at night but I don’t go out at night.  prob why I’m happy with my 12w led super bright headlight 

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received my resistors today i plugged them into the front indicators and they now flash ok , good result and close to original and no need for rear resistors as well the dash indicator works as normal .

the resistors were pretty cheap and i had to solder the terminal connections as they were only just on , maybe a more expensive set would be better quality but im happy with them 

 

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Result!

Thanks for the feedback Les biggrin

I have this idea that resistors are tiny and that it should be possible to make your own  for the LED indicators - its knowing what the value of the resistor needs to be I guess.

We must throw away quite a few resistors with any defunct electronic gear.....

Found this https://www.hobby-hour.com/electronics/resistor_color_code.php

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Hi brian 

The resistors are 10 ohm the so burn off 14.4 watts of power  so need to be the larger wire in  ceramic type to disapate the heat 

Small resistors at 12v will let the magic smoke out very quickly 

Voltage squared divided by resistance   12×12= 144 ÷10 = 14.4 watts 

In this case its not a case of restricting current but creating a dummy load to fool the flasher unit  (super small toaster biggrin

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The led flasher unit turned up after nearly 7weeks it’s sold on eBay as an r1 led unit 

it plugged straight in but still needs the two resistor s on the front flashers 

it looks like a good unit it’s rare a unit fails but is a good replacement for the original and only around $3.00

 



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The Yamaha R6 led flasher unit finally arrived it’s a straight pug in and works well still needs the two resistors on the front (a bit slower than the original with leds/resistors close to spot on  )

would also be a good plug and play repacment for the original  not bad for $3.00 on eBay 

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Watch out for the Chinese flasher units lasted a couple of rides 

recommend resistors and led bulbs keep it standard 

fitted waterproof 10w day driving lights in the flashers today and they are super bright 

 

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Just fitted some flush mount rear LED indicators today and noticed the fast flash issue (the fronts are still original). I take it the inline resistors discussed solved the issue? What resistance is required?

 

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Just fitted some flush mount rear LED indicators today and noticed the fast flash issue (the fronts are still original). I take it the inline resistors discussed solved the issue? What resistance is required?

 

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Cam.


 I fitted these on top of the headlight bracket (bluey) one end of the resistor to indicator positive  and other end of resistor to earth one for each side (my phone puts pictures in upside down sorry )  heads up the headlight bracket isn’t earthed it’s rubber mounted 

50 watt 8 ohm  are spot on main thing is 8ohm resistor no Lower than 20watt or the resistor gets a bit hot 

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This is a LINKY to the UK Ebay equivalent item

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ttboof wrote:

CADFC306-CA39-4950-8AAA-5CB33CEBE7EF.jpeg

CADFC306-CA39-4950-8AAA-5CB33CEBE7EF.jpeg

BC97EFCE-E481-4D8A-80F6-E293DD319574.jpeg

Watch out for the Chinese flasher units lasted a couple of rides 

recommend resistors and led bulbs keep it standard 

fitted waterproof 10w day driving lights in the flashers today and they are super bright 

 

96BDA6D5-B4E9-43C0-98E6-6CEAE8AFA0C6.jpeg

I got some of them ages ago, never got around to fitting them. Thanks to this post, I will go and find / fit themsmile


 



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Thanks guys, ill see what flea bay has to offer.

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