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Ok. My TTR has developed an annoying habit. It has cut out a dozen times at idle over the past few weeks, so I'm asking for ideas on what might be causing it.

Today I took it for a 10-15 minute urban run at 30-40 mph, a 2 mile return trip up a dual carriage way at +60 mph, and finished off with start / stop, 1/4 mile dawdle in traffic. I stopped at some traffic light and after a few seconds at idle the engine cut out. The bike wouldn't restart even though it spun over as normal. I pushed the bike 100 yards to get it off the main road, and looked it over for anything obvious. After 10 minutes I tried the starter again, and it started. I rode about another 200 yards and as I coasted down a short hill it cut out again. This time it was close enough to keep rolling down the hill until I got home.

I pulled the plug out expecting it to be oiled up but it was totally clean, not even wet? Up until today I thought the cutting out was down to a voltage problem. The bike only gets used for a 3 mile commute once or twice a week, so I thought the maybe I was losing the spark at low revs, and then not being able to restart because of a low battery. Today though the battery had been on charge before I started the test run. So now I'm thinking maybe its a fuel problem?

I've pulled the carb off and stripped it down today but it looks pretty clean. Tomorrow I'll drain the tank and check the fuel tap. 

Does anyone have any other ideas what could be causing the cutting out?

 

 



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Most likely a carb issue, as you say. Other things to check...

Do you have spark when it won't start?

Fuel tank breather blocked?

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TbirdX wrote:

Most likely a carb issue, as you say. Other things to check...

Do you have spark when it won't start?

Fuel tank breather blocked?


 agree the above it the most likley .

mine stopped and stayed that way when the ignition pick up went open circuit, a new pick up and its been going well but it had done over 80 000kms. 



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So, no obvious smoking gun yet.

The tank had some paper towel in it, but it would have be in there for a good few years. It could have been blocking the fuel tap as the fuel dropped but strange it's just started doing it?

The float height was about 22mm instead of the 27mm in the Haynes manual. I haven't checked the fuel height with a tube. That's a job for later this week.

I fitted a carb kit, but nothing I swapped out looked dirty or worn. I've got a diaphragm on order, the old one did look a bit thin and the surface was cracked.

I've got a new battery ready to go as well.

Hopefully I'll get it running next weekend.

 

Its now the next weekend and its still not running. :(

After being put back together with a new diaphragm and fuel level fixed, it still struggled to start. When it did it ran for a few seconds with the throttle open but didn't want to idle.

I'm sure the fuel side is now in a far better place than it was, so I decided to check out the electrical system. The first smoking gun was the coil. Despite the bike briefly running  10 minutes earlier, the secondary winding came up as open circuit? I've ordered a new coil but carried on with the multi-meter.

The next test was the stator windings. I checked it as per the service manual and didn't get the expected readings. Position 1 to 2 read 33.5 ohms, 1 to 3 read 32.7 ohms, but 2 to 3 read the expected 1 ohm? 

So first question to the forum.

Is 32 ohms close enough or should I dig a bit deeper and find what's increased the resistance?

Second question, the wires from the stator look yellow rather than white so I'm wondering if a previous owner has rewired it an put the positive wire to position 2 instead on position 3, would this explain the readings?

Last question would this matter or does the regulator not care which is the positive wire is anyway?

Hopefully at least the coil will get me running again.



-- Edited by Dan-in-a-Van on Sunday 6th of October 2024 09:07:35 PM



-- Edited by Dan-in-a-Van on Saturday 12th of October 2024 06:27:53 PM

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So. New coil and the bike started and ran :)

I think the air screw and idle need a bit of a tweak, but at least the engine is running again. 

I'll finish putting it together at the weekend and take it for a run to see if the random cutting out is a thing of the past.



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Nice work. Hope it goes ok

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