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I've got just over 4000 miles on mine since the 350 was fitted. Just seems to get stronger all the time.



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Thanks for the update. Good to hear things are running well (including the carb mod).
I don't think I'm a sensitive (or fast) enough rider to feel the benefit of gold valving the forks, but as I've more or less run out of other things I want to modify, I suppose I should try!
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I haven't read through to see if anyone replied but, emulators may be the best modification you can do to damper rod forks.  No matter how fast or slow you ride.   The fact that the emulators will force you to buy new springs, probably better suited to your weight, has to be part of it.

 



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'73 RD250, '76 RD400, '80 XS1100, '81 RD373LC, '96 Tiger 900/sidecar, '02 TTR250, and another XS11 - this time a chain drive Period 5 race bike that may be ready to race in early '22, or '23??



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JOHNYBOY wrote:

why not vent it to atmospere up the frame & to the back like they did on a lot of british bikes


 

Well the breather sucks as well as blows - every time the piston goes up and down, so you risk drawing dust/water into the crankcases, quite apart from the oily mess that will build up (not a problem with old British bikes, which were an oily mess from the factory


 

Add a filter to the end.  You'll see it on most road race bikes.  They have a small in-line catch bottle with a filter down line of that.  Of course, that depends on how deep you want to go and where you're going to put it.  S'pose that's why the manufacturers stick the crankcase vent into the airbox.

 

 

Why am I looking at this thread?  Well, I have just picked up a dismantled engine... the brain is working.  Just reading.  Probably wont happen as I've got too many other irons in separate fires.  Surely enough to keep me going for a couple of years.  I'd best get into one...

 

 

 

 



-- Edited by tripodtiger on Saturday 30th of July 2022 02:28:04 AM

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Morning gents! I just did a compression check. I'm about 100 psi dry and about 115 wet. I am guessing its more valves than rings.

I find working on the bike in the parking area of my flat a real challenge.

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Oh, the bike also makes one hell of a banging noise on start up. It sounds like the pistion is hitting something something. Once the engine catches it goes away. Any ideas?

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Got the engine apart.  I was really surprised with the amount of carbon build up.  I'm assuming it's not normal and because the bike is running too rich?

 

The barrel looks good, but there is a tiny bit of wear on the top of the photo.  I can just feel it with a finger.  Just...

 

 

Anyways, time to figure out how to get the valves off!  



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Well my 350 kit is finally underway. At last. Engine is out and cases off for machining.

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Good news Steve and remember we all like to see photossmile



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Good news Steve and remember we all like to see photossmile


 Will do. All good so far, everything looks good internally when pulled down, got all the new bearings gaskets etc required.  And just heard the machining has been finished and looking good.!!!



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Getting there now!!

 

 

263cc Hi comp v the 346cc.

263 v 346 barrell piston.jpg



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Looking forward to seeing your results Steve, once running in and tuning is done.
Good luck!

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TTR350 back from the shop.jpgWell the TTR350 is built and running well. Have to find some time to run it in now. Also upgraded the clutch with new HD plates and springs. Only ridden it around the yard at this stage but so far so good. Plenty of torque, lifts the front easily in 3rd will a roll of the throttle, looking forward to a proper ride, I might wait for a cooler day though a bit hot today.



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So its list of mods:-

WP 48mm forks, Brembo front brakes & braided brake line. Magura fat bars and Magura levers. All off a CCM404e.
Wilbers rear shock.
WR250f footpegs
Totally TTRs 350 kit with ported head and 36mm Keihin PWK carb. Modified airbox.
Totally TTRs shorty header pipe and GYTR muffler.
Powder coated rims.
Custom higher seat.
B and B bash plate (not shown)

Anyone want to buy a WR250f (280!!) ?? :)

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Just a quick update (life has been too busy), it seems that I had no valve seals.... I've got the parts to put it back together. Just waiting for hunting season to be finished in a few weeks...

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TT350 finished.jpgTTR350 TT350 2.jpg

 As well as my TTR250 big bore 350 build, I have also just completed a full resto on a 1986 TT350, powder coated frame, full engine and suspension rebuild, with a full TTR front end.  The TT350 I use for Vintage Enduro pre 1988 class.  

Here's some pics. 

Both need running in. So far I have only managed to put half a tank of fuel through the TT350. Its very strong down low and through the mid range. And it feels bigger and wider to ride than the TTR. The TTR250 feels slimmer, shorter, turns faster and feels like it might make a bit more power, revs quicker, and better brakes. But they feel quite similar to ride. But the E start alone makes the TTR much nicer.  

TT350 TTR250 1.jpg



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Later this year when they have both been run in and properly tuned there I will organise a dyno shoot out. Both have similar modifications. ie -Modified airboxes, upgraded carbs and headers, mufflers and head porting. Standard cams. The TT350 is 1.5mm oversize so a 87.5mm Wiseco at 358cc.The previous motor 354cc in similar spec to this one was 29 HP. Gadgets TTR350 (which looks just like my TT350 - confusing I know) beat it by half a HP on the same dyno. Hoping the bigger carb will see 30 HP on the TTR350, it's motor was previously 25.5hp as a 2mm oversize 263cc.



-- Edited by Kaos on Tuesday 14th of March 2023 07:19:05 AM

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ttr big log.jpg

 

Got out for two days riding bush tracks on the newly built TTR350. Running really well with loads more torque. Its a good hill climber too! Well and truly fast enough through the trees for me.
Pic of a log crossing on one track wrecked by storm damage, you get so far in you don't want to turn around. It wasn't all like this!! So many trees down it was hard to find a path through. Otherwise brilliant couple of days riding.



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Camerons Hut in the Pyrennes Ranges Victoria.



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I've recently sold A dr250 to make the 350 susuki fitted a different crank increasing the stroke  . So it's a big job to do the 250 .but the 350 could be bored .

Still have the ttr though 



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TTboof what are you building? A DR350 bored out?


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ttr big log.jpg

 

Got out for two days riding bush tracks on the newly built TTR350. Running really well with loads more torque. Its a good hill climber too! Well and truly fast enough through the trees for me.
Pic of a log crossing on one track wrecked by storm damage, you get so far in you don't want to turn around. It wasn't all like this!! So many trees down it was hard to find a path through. Otherwise brilliant couple of days riding.


 Love that picture smilebiggrin



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Kaos wrote:

TTboof what are you building? A DR350 bored out?


 I decided the Dr wasn't as good as the ttr 

So sticking with the ttr 



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Good move!!


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Some nice gentle running-in there Steve!
It's all in the torque. Max power at max revs is irrelevant in the woods

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Some nice gentle running-in there Steve!
It's all in the torque. Max power at max revs is irrelevant in the woods


 I'm going to call it run in. 3 days of bush riding but only about 200 km but a lot of hours. Time for an oil and filter change.  I must/will put an hour meter on it!  Very happy with it.

 

Mate on his kx450 pulled up sore from the ride, but with the TTRs plush suspension, smooth power and a soft seat I pulled up fine.  I thought gee this TTR is quick now, then I rode the KX450. That was stupid fast.  Repeat, stupid fast.  Fun in open terrain but the TTR is fast enough for my old bones, 60 next year,  and very fast through the bush.

Yes enjoying the added torque. Monos!! I'm also running taller gearing now, previously always a 13T now a 14T front sprocket,  and finding it pulls it nicely.  Even with the taller gearing with the 350's torque I was using second at slow speeds mostly whereas previously it would have been mostly 1st.  And it's cured the 250s weakness, when the speeds are up and you come up fast on a puddle/log/hole etc just twist the throttle and lift the front over. The 250 struggled there.

Very capable bike, so thanks for engineering the 350 kit!!!  

I am also contemplating removing the WP USD front end and putting the bike into "stealth mode" with conventional forks and fork boots!!  I like the idea of a sleeper, fairly stock appearance but with trick suspension and motor. Even though I like the current WP front end set up and it works really well.  I can't use the original TTR forks, they are doing duty in my vinduro bike, the 1986 TT350.   Gadget has sold me a full DRZ400e conventional front end. Front wheel, brakes, forks, triples.   I've had these forks previously, 49mm Showa cartridge forks with modern internals, fully adjustable. I'm confident I can get them as good as the current set up.  If not I can always bolt the WP's back on. 

Oh I still have a bigger 38mm PWK carb to try yet!  I'll see which one feels best to ride then some dyno time with both carbs 36/38 later in the year.

Getting close with jetting.

 

TTR350 plug May 23.jpg



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My 350 managed to get to 4890m up a horrible corrugated track in Argentina :) There was a loss if power obviously but still pulled fairly well especially as I'm only running 13:44 sprockets.

 

Last time I was at that altitude was when the engine was a 250 and the performance is much better now!



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Good news and thanks for the update smile



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