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Hi all, since moving house I now have a 12 mile commute each day on the ttr so the trail tyres I have are getting a hammering, I am looking at getting some more road type tyres for the standard wheels as I have a spare set of wheels with nobblys for the off roading. Can anyone suggest any or point me in the right direction, I have thought about supermoto's but non of the methods are a straight forward swop unless you spend mega bucks!

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Hi mate

 

I have ran Continental Twinduro tyres on both a KLX and DRZ, excellent road tyres but good off road to.

 

Good enough for Charlie Boarman and Ewan Mcgregor on long way round, good enough for me,

 

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Hi Steve

Thanks for that, they do look good all round tyres but I am just after something for the road ie no drag and good handling as they only going to be used on the road.

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Much like you wont find tyres that look fit for greenlaning for an r6 you wont find tyres that look like road tyres for a 21" front wheel.

What you will get is tyres that look a little like knobblies but are only fit for tarmac and a token amount of off road.

My dad has battlewings on his triumph tiger 800. There good for the road at the kind of speeds you can expect from such a bike.

Im putting IRC gp1 on my '78 DT now I have the ttr for off road. You may also like bridgestone tw02. Metzler also do alot.

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Much like you wont find tyres that look fit for greenlaning for an r6 you wont find tyres that look like road tyres for a 21" front wheel.

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 Yes, you will, Hardly Movinson's have 21" wheels, there's a few road tyres available in 21



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I stand corrected. Forgot about the old dumper trucks. Whats the choice/cost?

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I've got 21 inch wheels front and back on my old trailer.

Hehe! biggrin

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The replacement rear tyre I bought in January 2009 cost me £32.27 and is 300x21, the same as the front. aww

I must admit that 21 inch tyres are not easy to find but Avon do one called Distanzia which is for the front of a trailie type modern bike. smile

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The replacement rear tyre I bought in January 2009 cost me £32.27 and is 300x21, the same as the front. aww

I must admit that 21 inch tyres are not easy to find but Avon do one called Distanzia which is for the front of a trailie type modern bike. smile

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Martyn, These tyres look about right for me! What size would you go for , obviously 18 & 21 but what width etc, there is plenty on eBay, item no. 290583249139 Cheers adam

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These are the recommended sizes for a 225 Serow which is their nearest to a TTR250 :-

XT 225 Serow (1992 onwards)

Pressure front:   2.0 bar (29psi)
Front size:      3.00-21 51S
Pressure rear:    2.3 bar (33psi)
Rear size:       120/80-18 62S
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Right tyre sizes confuse me somewhat, mine are 90-90-21 and 4.60-18 Is one metric and one imperial?

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Adam, try this page:-

TYRE MARKINGS EXPLAINED CLICKY THING

which gives all the information (in English) to help in tyre choices.

This tyre malarkey is getting rather tiresome yawnbiggrin

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This is the actual tyre markings chart.

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Cubber wrote:

Adam, try this page:-

TYRE MARKINGS EXPLAINED CLICKY THING

which gives all the information (in English) to help in tyre choices.

This tyre malarkey is getting rather tiresome yawnbiggrin

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Very good martyn! But you said the front one is 3.00 wide and the rear is 120? And on my bike the rear is 4.60 by 18 rear and 90-90-21 front but the rear is not over four times wider than the front?

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Correction Adam, Avon said the sizes, I merely copied and pasted. no

Your front tyre is 90 wide = 90 mm
Your rear tyre is 4.60 wide = 4.6 inches
These are logical sizes shown on your tyres and can be checked with a ruler.

In the Avon Distanzia sizing 3.00 wide front = 3 inches
120 wide rear = 120 mm
These are what Avon recommend for a Serow 225

If you look up the original Serow wheel size you can compare the difference/similarity in sizes and make a calculated guesstimate to apply to the TTR sizing.
You can then see if Distanzia tyres come in these guesstimate sizes.
I haven't got the knowledge to tell you what size road tyre YOU need to fit on YOUR TTR. confuse

I can recommend you to Google for answers.
A good start would be here CLICKY THING where you can read and fully digest the wisdom to enable your guess. (There may be American acronyms and spelling)

When you have made your choice and fitted the tyres you then will be able to enlighten us for future information. wink

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I'm pleased you've got sorted, Adam. smile

I really hope you will be satisfied with the Distanzia tyres, I bought a 21" front tyre with the intention of fitting it to the rear of my vintage BSA.

In the end I managed to get a more suitable block tread tyre so the Distanzia is in reserve for another day.

When I finally fit the tyre it may well fail its MoT because it has "front fitment" on the sidewall. We'll see. hmm

Please let us all know how the tyres stand up to your requirements and expectations.

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I have a pair of Avon Distanzas which came to me on a road-only TTR250 and I will be putting on my project bike as I am not taking that off road.

The front is a 3.00x21 but the back was loaned to Motad (to do the exhaust dyno testing as the trail tyres woudn't work on the rolling road) and I haven't got it back yet to check the size.

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i won't be ordering the tyres till next year but will keep you posted, i am going for 90-90-21 front and 4.60-18 rear, adam.

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You are aware that mixing radials, crossply and bias belted tyres can be illegal?



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Now I am confused? I didn't think modern tyres were cross ply and as for the third thing I have never heard of it, I am going to get a pair as in the eBay link above.

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From the testers manual;

 

e. a bias belted tyre fitted to the front with a cross-ply tyre fitted to the rear wheel

f. a radial tyre fitted to the front and a cross ply or bias belted tyre fitted to the rear wheel

3.00/21 is a crossply

90/90/21 is a radial

not 100% but i think a 4.60 is bias ply?



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They are just the width of the tyres in mm or inches, I thought radials have an R? Why would people sell a pair of tyres one been a radial and one been a cross ply?

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hi every one i am going to need a new rear tyre soon even tho its only been on since sept the road seems to eat it as it is a knobley but the front has a trailmax on witch seems to be ok does any one know where i could get a good priced road based rear tyre or a trailmax to match am i right is the tyre size 120/90/18

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Lewis, your friend is at your finger tips. wink

http://www.ttr250.com/#What_tyres is an article that Brian has written and can be found on this forum in "The TTR250 FAQ web pages" link at the top left of this web page.

Suppliers in Durham can be sourced by chiming up Google and typing "Tyre Dealers Durham" into the search bar. The choice will then be yours. aww

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Hi Lewis

I have a TTR in at the moment with TKC80 Twinduro tyres fitted and they look quite road orientated with the knobbles quite large and close together. I think 120/90-18 sounds about right.

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Does anyone run Avon Distanzias on a TTR? I run them on my Armstrong MT500's, and they're brilliant tyres for the road!

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Does anyone run Avon Distanzias on a TTR? I run them on my Armstrong MT500's, and they're brilliant tyres for the road!


 

No, but I do run the Distanzias on my 650 Vstrom.  Agree, they are very good on the road, and not too bad on a bit of slippery gravel either.



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im thinking about purchasing off road tyres (getting rid of the road legal tyres i have on).

the manual states:

Front tyre size90/90 x 21
Rear tyre size

120/90 x 18

 

I was wondering if it is better to go wider on the rear or front for that matter if what i am doing is mostly fire trails. including rocks, hard packed dirt, and occasionally mud. but mostly hard packed dirt and rocks.

does adding a wider rear give better performance? if so whats the widest size tyre i can fit on a standard wheel.

also, can i go bigger than the 90 aspect ratio (height)?

im just wondering how much performance gains can be had by simply putting bigger/better tyres on it.



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I run Michelin motocross s11 xc 130/80 18. On the rear, i love playing in the mud so it's perfect for me. It's good on hard packed dirt, but tends to get worn fast on the sharp rocky trails.

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they arent too wide effecting turning? or making it harder to spin up?
what you running on the front?

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What Tyre presures on road with Michelins,
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Which Michelins?

26 front 28 rear isnt a bad starting point and see what it feels like.

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Hey Dave, take a tape measure with you just to make sure if you are going to go wider, some manufacturers measure from the case and some from the knobs

I ran 12 PSI in the back and 14 front on my last set of off road tyres

You need about 20psi both ends for the tar though, smoothes out the ride a lot



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See this post I did a while ago on the Dunlop 606

Also a good all rounder and in Aus where I ride most of the time it's also rock and sand with very little mud

http://ttr250.activeboard.com/t49564383/dunlop-606/



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I know that tyre choice is largely down to the individual and where in the World you may be and what conditions your trails are in etc. etc.

Here in the North of Scotland, not famed for its sunshine but for its rain I have tried a range of tyres all with there good points and bad points.

I was a fan of Bridgestone Gritty 660's for a time but I was fitting about 3 rears and one front a year. Each year I cover about 3000 miles off road and a couple of hundred on road. I stopped using them when the man that was selling them to me at a good price shut up shop!

The next tyre was the Michelin comp 4, which was a good tyre grip wise, but wore quickly and was expensive.

I then used some cheap tyres from I don't know where which had a carcase about as thick as a condom. I replaced it before it wore out because of the amount of punctures I was getting,

Neat in line was the Michelin AC10. A good tyre. The only problem I found with it was it was very harsh grip wise when new. It was hard to predict what was going to happen when you were in a soft spot and then found grip. It would hook up and fire you forwards which is great in a race but not very confidence inspiring at 07:00 in the morning in the middle of winter with the rain coming across horizontalno Also on the road they were best described as 'interesting'.

On the new bike it came with Dunlop D605/D605F tyres. As the bike had done less than 1500 miles and we have had a very dry few months I thought I would leave them on and get some wear out of them. However it made me look at the conditions I ride in.

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Lots of rock which is a nice grippy sandstone  and not a lot of mud. Sand, yes, and a bit of peat here and there. None of the claggy clay you get down South so nothing to clog a tyre like the Dunlops that are on the bike at the moment and it seems to work fine off road and on road.

So my line of thinking at the moment is to fit something like the Dunlops again as they are working well in the current conditions. Perhaps I don't need a full blown knobbly. Why don't I just go with the Dunlops again? Well, price.

I was looking at the Michelin T63 tyres which I think will work well and are a good price. Does anyone use this tyre? How do you find it?

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After nine years of riding the old Raid with the selection of tyres listed above I thought I would have a favourite by now! But alas the quest continues!

Any comments gratefully receivedsmile

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Thanks for the reply, Steve.

I did a search of the forum and did read your post which made look for the D606 on line, as from what you say about it, it looks ideal. 

However after looking on line and contacting a couple of suppliers it appears it is not available here in the UKashamed

The Michelin T63 looks to be along the same lines as the D606 though.

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I agree, it looks very similar to the 606, very similar spacing and pattern, I'd buy them.

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I can get the D606 tyres from the States but the postage is more than the cost of the tyre no

I think I will go with the Michelin and see how it goes.

Thanks for your input.

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Hi

yes I know another tyre thread...no but theres soooo much choice out there! 

looking at replacing my tyres, been considering a mitas co2 for the rear. Mostly mud/dirt/grass/ruts etc. tracks ridden and on tarmac to lanes.

Questions...

1/ Any comments from people with experience of the co2 would be appreciated.

2/ Any other suggestions for tyres suitable for what I ride would be considered.

3/Any suggestions for a good front tyre?

4/ Do any members use a michelin s12 xc front tyre on thier bike? (yes Im aware it is not road legal but i've read some people still use it)

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Hi Andy. I asked the same question a couple of months back HERE as I have tried a range of tyres. I have just ordered a set of the Michelin T63's to see how they go. The terrain up here is very rocky with a bit of sand thrown in for good measure. 

I rode my old Raid a week ago and it still has AC10's fitted. I have to say that it did seem a bit skittish after the new bike with the Dunlops on, hence my reason for going for the T63.

We will see how it goessmile

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Hi peter

Thanks for the post,I was beginning to think this post was a taboo subject that people are "tyred" :) of talking about, like "which engine oil".

I'll do some research on the T63's you suggest but sounds like your riding conditions are a bit different to what I encounter,seems like most the lanes are mud/clay.

Think I more or less made my mind up now but was just hoping to get some feedback on the co2 from other users.

So I'm leaning towards the mitas co2 on the rear. The front was more of a difficult choice to narrow down, looking at either mitas c19 or michelin enduro comp. 4.

Still keeping an open mind though so suggestions welcomed.

 

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My tyres of choice for the area I ride in (mostly East Devon, UK) is Comp IV for the front and an MT43 rear in the summer and change to CO2 in the winter as the lanes get muddy wink

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Hi Brian
Thanks for your input,I'd be interested in knowing your thoughts on how the C02 behaved on wet roads?
As I will be doing some roadwork reaching lanes.

Also using the comp 4 on mud,do you experience any "washout"? and do you find the steering improved?

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The CO2s aren't good on tarmac when new but soon bed in. I haven't any issues with them on tarmac but ride fairly steadily on the black stuff.

The Comp 4 washes out less than any other front tyre I have tried. Good on the slippery stuff and just as good on dry loose stuff as we found in Spain. Not noticed any diffference in steering between the different front tyres I have tried.

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Thanks Brian 

sort of confirms what I've been reading on other forums, ordered the mitas rear and michelin front from oponeo,£94 the pair.

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Got the T63's home yesterday. I am quite suprised how deep the tread is and how far apart the knobs are for what is advertised as a more road biasd tyre.

Will have to see if I can get them fitted on Saturday so I can see how they work on the track.

 

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Hi Peter
I had the same concerns about the mitas c02, it looks a seriously aggressive knobby but people seem surprised at how well it performs on the road,hope the T63 works out for you,I'd be interested in what you think about it.

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would these fit the rear of the ttr size being 130/90 18 just thinking for snow soon http://www.trelleborgtyres.co.uk/product_details_32.htm



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In one word - yes - but what rubber are you currently using? confuse

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am using Bridgestone trail wings but back is getting low.

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