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I think that a black seat cover and black gaiters can make a lot of difference to the white TTRs. It's a lot of work to change the colour of the frame and the wheels though. I quite like the purple rims anyway wink

Here is one of my refurbs from last year on that theme:

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Hi Mww916.

That is correct. I brought 2 spare wheels all made up so I just have to swap the wheels over after work on a Friday night and go trail riding over the weekend. I have 100% dirt tyres on the other wheels. The rear rim is standard with a Pirelli Sport Demon on the back. The front rim was made up at   http://www.spoked-wheels-brisbane.com.au/ in Brisbane. It has a Bridgestone Battlax BT-45 that is starting to scallop so I will change that soon to a Pirelli as well. At 100km/h the bike is very smooth on the road and I only have 13mm left to go and the chicken strips will be gone for good. I think Brian's bike looks very smart.



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Thanks for the info Matt

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fairly new to the bike scene, but would love to get my hands on some new rims for my 06 ttr.  Can i use wr rims, or how do i get my hands on some to motard my bike?



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was thinking about making my ttr 250  raid into a

supermoto any ideas about wot wheels

will fit  on bike with no mods or any ideas

about some  on road tyres that will fit my rims as is

 



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Have a look here - might be some useful info:

http://ttr250.activeboard.com/t44801045/supermoto-conversion-very-easy/

Maybe some parts for sale here:

http://ttr250.activeboard.com/t47898872/for-sale-1995-ttr250-oe-supermoto-and-loads-of-parts/



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Mine are for sale if you are interested:

http://ttr250.activeboard.com/t50178080/ttr250-custom-made-motard-wheels-tyres/

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OK, A question for Supermoto owners, I saw a WR250 today that had been Supermoto'd and it got me thinking what is the point of it ??

Please shine some light here thanks

This is what I think:

They are dirt bikes, not road bikes, why not just buy a road bike ?
They are too tall
Brakes are crap compared to road bikes
No fairings or windshields
Dim Single headlights
Suspension not suited to road conditions
Narrow seats not suited to long trips

Now any Supermoto owners please chip in here and let me know why you would want to do it

Cheers
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OK, A question for Supermoto owners, I saw a WR250 today that had been Supermoto'd and it got me thinking what is the point of it ??

Please shine some light here thanks

This is what I think:

They are dirt bikes, not road bikes, why not just buy a road bike ?
They are too tall
Brakes are crap compared to road bikes
No fairings or windshields
Dim Single headlights
Suspension not suited to road conditions
Narrow seats not suited to long trips

Now any Supermoto owners please chip in here and let me know why you would want to do it

Cheers
BMSteve

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 I'm with ya there Steve smile What a waste of a good dirt bike that's what i think biggrin

Not sure why anyone would do this but i guess the advantages would be.

Better handling?

Reduced road noise

Not having to replace tires as much

Because they think it looks good but really it only makes it look cr#p biggrin

Who knows confuseconfuseconfuseconfusebiggrin

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The best answer I've come across is:-

"Think of them as a jeep, ground clearance and all, that handles like a Corvette."

I discovered this HERE after putting the thread title into Google.

Although I can appreciate a Supermoto I think I fall into the category of those who think, "What's the point?". confuse

I have ample bikes for my enjoyment of all aspects of motorcycling and don't think I want another bike that replaces a Jeep with a Corvette. no

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http://youtu.be/0teLUBsMMw0

Just watched this video, I have a wr250x which is ideal for commuting to work, good on fuel, handles well on the road, high up road position for seeing past cars and most importantly FUN! I would not do as in the video link by the way, that's perhaps the darker side of supermoto???

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I think you mean http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0teLUBsMMw0 

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Include me among those who don't get them either. I've had been away from motorcycles until I bought my TTR & didn't know what a "supermoto" was until I googled it. I have to think it's a generational thing & has to do more with appearances than anything else. I can see where they'd be some fun but a street bike is SO much better suited for the road supermotos seem like a novelty to me.

I think about the generational thing looking for riding gear as nearly everything is so overladen with advertising graphics (for the manufacturer) that it a real chore to find something plain. BUT... I would guess it appeals to the masses & that's why there's so much of it.

The same people actually pay REAL money for the energy-drink graphics packages for their bikes.

In the meantime I am happily in the minority.



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domski1 wrote:

http://youtu.be/0teLUBsMMw0

Just watched this video, I have a wr250x which is ideal for commuting to work, good on fuel, handles well on the road, high up road position for seeing past cars and most importantly FUN! I would not do as in the video link by the way, that's perhaps the darker side of supermoto???

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Now I get it, it's not a replacement for a road bike, it's a bike that does things a road bike hasn't a hope in hell of doing

as long as you aren't interestred in the things a road bike does best.

So I'm not of the opinion "Whats the point" confuse any more, It's the fun factor in them.

If I lived in the city this would be my fun factor I think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=kRwXAkjC850&feature=endscreen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YR33GxvaGc

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A good question. If you havent tried road tyres on the standard rims, try it before going through the expense and hassle of 17" rims. I am now couriering in Sydney on the TTR - Bridgestone Battlax 21" 90/90 and 18" 110/90 road tyres have just replaced the D606's These handle just fine for mine, and I am cornering so far over that I am having a heap of fun. However - and I would like some advice - twice a year I will be dirt riding..... What tyres should I swap over to? The D606's for all round dirt riding? What is everyone else on?

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I run 606's front and rear, a good all rounder, smooth ride due to closely spaced knobs

Note, they are not motocross tyres

The front will wash out if you get to agressive in sandy stuff

The rear seems pretty well planted

I'm happy with them

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 Supermoto is a class of racing. It typicly involves 80-90% ON road & 10-20% OFF road. they usually have a sorter course with tighter corners. in the offroad sections thier are jumps and burms and woops. the reason for the 17in rims are: #1 less centrifugal force resulting in quicker turnin. overall better" sportier "handling .#2 better tire options for street tires. steping down in front tire/rim size will result in less steering rake. which also plays in effect the nimble feel of the bike. but this is what i've been told and have read. 

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So that's why I need 17" in. rims - so I can scrape the handlebars when going around roundabouts ..... No chance with the 21" in. front..... None at all

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Ha, If I lean mine over that much I'm on my arse   biggrinbiggrin



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Hi Punka Walla,

I have a DT125X wheel, and I have the axle spacers sorted out, but the caliper mount is a problem.

Any chance you could give me the dimensions of your brake caliper mounting plate, or still get additional ones made ?

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I found this cross reference & thought it might help all you Motad fans.

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Enjoy,

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I have been checking this site for some time and it helped me convince myself to press on with the wheel/tire purchase...

I finally got my 95 raid on some 17's

it wasn't cheap, but it was well worth it.

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An owner has asked about alternative wheels on our Totally TTRs Facebook page.

This is the only thread I can find but I am sure I have seen posts saying that other wheels fit with certain provisos.

Can anyone remind me of viable alternatives please?

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TTRfan wrote:

An owner has asked about alternative wheels on our Totally TTRs Facebook page.

This is the only thread I can find but I am sure I have seen posts saying that other wheels fit with certain provisos.

Can anyone remind me of viable alternatives please?

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 A fair bit of info HERE Brian.



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Nice one Jarrah - have passed the link on biggrin

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This was a great thread, but it seems like punka walla has left the forum now.

I've just got a set of XT125X 17 "wheels which look like they'll fit straight on. Just need to make the caliper bracket.

Will post some photos later



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fwtian wrote:

punka you said that the dt125x rear wheel fitted as it was? you think the front wheel will fit also??


 I've gone the other way, I got  a front and rear from an XT125X. The rear also has the required 20 mm spindle and looks like it will fit straight on.

The front feels like it will need a new set of bearings, so I'm hoping they are the same size as the TTR ones.

Still haven't got around to taking pictures, but will smile

Ordered some Conti Trail attacks yesterday, 140/80 17 for the rear, and 120/90 17 for the front, again, pictures to follow.



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Dug up this old thread that seems to have died a while ago, but it is so informative. This bike looks amazing. It is exactly what I had in mind for my 1994 TTR 250. I'm not sure how to go about doing this as the parts for a metal tank ttr250 are becoming scarce. I live in the DR and was wondering if anyone had advice on how to do this conversion. I'm not what you would call a bike mechanic, but I definitely want to try. I would probably have to order all the parts to the United States and have them delivered here through our mailing service.

Here's some pictures of my TTR (yes, I need new tires, that is why I want to try and do the conversion before I get new ones):

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Hi Medic, bike looks good and I love the scenerysmile

My white TTR OE is even harder to get bits for Mate cry

As my last post, I just bought some second hand wheels from Ebay. Seller said they were from an XT125X,  and they have the correct spindle sizes to fit the TTR, i.e. 20mm rear, and 15 mm front. I'll be getting new tyres later this week, and once they are fitted I'll be attempting to fit the wheels to the bike. Rear one looks like it will pretty much fit straight on, as disk size is the same, but front will need spacers and caliper bracket as pre punka walla's original post.

I'll ad some more pictures as I go along.

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My bike is actually an open enduro as well. I'll attach an old picture below before I got the vinyl color change. So this might be a stupid question: Why can't you just buy new street tires to put on the stock wheels? I won't need an off road and on road set as I will use it almost entirely for on road, but some lose gravel roads will be unavoidable at times.

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Nice job on the colour change Mate, I couldn't tell from the photos smile

Yes, you could just put some road tyres on, and I suppose it would handle pretty well. I'm driving mine on road quite a bit at present with the off road tyres, and it's not too bad, so road tyres would be a definite improvement.

I like the "super moto" style though and think that the handling especially in the wet will be even better. I really don't know enough to make an informed judgement though, but there are plenty of guys on here who will be able to. Maybe you should start a thread yourself asking the question?

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Nice job on the colour change Mate, I couldn't tell from the photos smile

Yes, you could just put some road tyres on, and I suppose it would handle pretty well. I'm driving mine on road quite a bit at present with the off road tyres, and it's not too bad, so road tyres would be a definite improvement.

I like the "super moto" style though and think that the handling especially in the wet will be even better. I really don't know enough to make an informed judgement though, but there are plenty of guys on here who will be able to. Maybe you should start a thread yourself asking the question?

Cheers for now.


 

Thanks. The guy who did it did a great job, haha. He stretched vinyl over the fenders so that they flex with the plastics. Great idea. 

I'll just have to start a mod thread. Might start by taking off the front strut sleeves. No idea what they are called, haha.



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Hmmm, well, it turns out that the rear wheel I got has a TTR Hub, and pretty much fits without mods. biggrin That's the good news.

Bad news is that the front hub is not from an XT125, but from a WR250, so the spacer sizes that Punka Walla worked out are not correct. cry

I reckon that the disk side should be about 15mm, and the RH side about 19mm, but if anyone knows different, I'd appreciate the input. It wouldn't be a problem if I'd gone for 110 width, but I followed PW's advice and went for 120/90 17, so there's only about 1mm clearance each side to play with hmm

Once I've sorted that, I have to make up an adaptor bracket for the front caliper, as the WR disc is quite a bit bigger. I have a suitable bit of stainless on stand by.

Managed to finally get the disc bolts undone after following Brian's good advice, hammer and chisel!



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Hi, I think I am the new owner of the bike that started this thread.. now sporting a raid tank and seat.

Having taken the bike to the Manx GP, I can confirm the tyres are good enough to go flat out from Ramsey to creg ny baa. As the rear is just about worn out I am tempted to replace both tyres with something a little more road biased. The front is a little bit too wide but the narrowest conti escape available

 

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Hi again Alan!

Wish I'd read this before your other thread smile 

Really like the bike, and I'm impressed with your IoM efforts!



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i have a 160/17 on the rear and a 120/17 on the front.it works well

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Nice looking bike Clayton. Mines a bit more of a rat bike in comparison.

Surprised you've managed to get a 160 on the back, mine's pretty tight with a 140. Front too has only about 1 mm either side.

Have you done any mods to the swing arm or forks?



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i bought it already done. it has plenty of clearance.



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Righty ho men. I'm about to start the mini supermoto jobby on bluey. Slowly, as a running resto until I've finished me xs650. Firstly need a gold front wheel to match me rear so I'm getting new spokes and a rim on the existing hub.

So, anyone done something similar? 17"? 



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A TTR supermoto with gold spoked rims, thats gonna be pretty sweet! Yeah I guess you will have to stick a 36 hole 17" 2.15 rim on the front...

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Have you considered an xt 125 x front wheel think it may fit straighf in seem to recall a thread on here about it



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Xt 125 wheels require different spacers and caliber mounting bracket.. See the thread when mine bike was done. it is not a big deal if you know the right people.
I think i would look into the cost of a replacement rim before making a decision, but i reckon you would be better off buying a complete wheel and selling your old one.

 

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Cheers chaps, I've seen some of the threads. Mighty fine looking bikes too. I'd like to just re-rim my front so I'll see my man at the weekend.

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Is anyone able to send me a technical drawing for the wheel spaces so I can get some made up please

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Very nice

What rims are they?



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ttr steve wrote:

Very nice

What rims are they?


 The rims are excel 17s.. front 3.50. rear 4.25



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Welcome to the forum Gabriel! Nice SM!

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Hi guys, I would like to get a second pair of wheels to fit trail tyres as I currently have enduro tyres fitted.

 TTRs are rare as hens teeth in Ireland so the chances of finding a scrapped one are very slim. I was wondering if the TTR wheels are a standard size and if so what bikes share the same?

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I don't think anyone has given a clear answer but have a look at this thread - http://ttr250.activeboard.com/t44801045/supermoto-conversion-very-easy-alternative-wheels/

As far as I can see almost any wheel can be made to fit if you have the facility to make up spacers but it will help a lot if the wheel(s) you choose use the same axle diameter as the TTR.

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