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wow you have done a lot of work looks like a great job i keep thinking of rebulding my old ttr or 2000 picking up a newer one you given me hope is the motor rebuld that big of a job and are parts hard to find thank great post


Thanks for the feedback - and welcome to the forum Craig biggrin

The motor rebuild is always the best part of restos wink

Just got to be methodical and follow the workshop manual step by step. I am not a mechanic but only get into trouble when I don't follow the manual disbelief 

Better pics of engine rebuild in this thread http://ttr250.activeboard.com/t43805944/ttr250-fitting-a-325cc-big-bore-kit/

We are always here to help if you get stuck.

Parts are easy to obtain. You are in the US so use boats.net and/or AllBalls kits where appropriate.

Good luck!

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OK - it's been a long time but I finally got around to fitting the graphics and I am very pleased with the finished result. The Enjoy Mfg graphics and seat cover are great quality. I got my mate to apply the tricky ones and he said they were the best he had seen which says a lot as he has been riding enduros for many years and has applied a LOT of graphics!

These are the "Impact" decal set - see here for the eBay advert or go to their home pages. 

The big advantage of the Enjoy graphics is that the side panel graphics cover the whole panel and therefore cover up all of the scuffs and scrapes that are part and parcel of off roading a bike. The tank graphics similarly cover nearly all of the visible tank. The down side is that the tank graphics were a tricky fit at the front. 

Overall, I can highly recommend the Enjoy graphic set from my own personal experience biggrin

As with all project bikes, you never finish! I still have to wire up the heated grips as winter is approaching.

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Absolutely brilliant. What a journey from start to finish. You can now be satisfied you have completed a top quality "shed to concours" rebuild. My hat is well and truly off to you. Thanks for doing the thread, it has been a pleasure to read and follow.

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Great work Brian, looks great! Everything really works well together!

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At last - the finished article. Remarkable conclusion

Here are some before and after shots for comparison:-

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I think it's agreed - quite a remarkable transformation, ugly duckling to a swan. smile

I bet you're chuffed and will be sat around like a grumpy, loppy dog now you've noyhing to do.

Better start something soon or Trish will want something doing around TTR Towers. hmm

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There is always something to do Martyn - a project bike is never actually ever finished wink

I bought one of Andrew Ferguson's clever little LED ignition light - see here - over a year ago and have only just got around to fitting it.

Andrew will custom build a unit with your own preferred settings - I chose the following:

>15.2v  red static (over-voltage)

>13.0v  green static (charging)

>12.5v  amber slow flashing (normal battery, but not charging)

<12.5v  red 4 blips & repeat  (recommended for this output to make it absolutely distinct from the one above) 

I was prompted to fit it by the need to make up a mount for the switch for my fabulous Symtec heated grips (winter is coming!) so combined the jobs.

The pic below shows the light with the engine running - green is good and means the battery is charging. The heated grips switch is on the right of the panel.

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The pic below shows the red light flashing to show the voltage of the battery with the ignition switched on but the engine not started.

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The light comes with a decent length of lead and it was simple job to stick the earth wire in behind the coil earth bolt and, after stripping about half an inch of wire, the positive was hooked over the brown terminal in the ignition connector block and the block connected up again.

The pic below shows the connections and also the nifty Maplins indicator buzzer which was also easy to fit.

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The following pic just shows the wiring under the panel.

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I found that the brown wire in the connector block for the digital speedo was a switched live so took off the terminal and put on a new one incorporating the feed to the grips.

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A brief test and everything seems to be working. Road test next - after a spot of grandson baby sitting wink

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Greatly appreciated  

 EDIT: could it be possible to create a separate topic with a list of tools that make life easier ?, and where to get them ? 

- (don't know the correct names, saw them here on pics with descriptions)

"gear locking device (instead of rag)" , "drill adapter for grinding-in valves", "outer bearing race remover",

"rear wheel bearing removal insert (size, quotes for making one on a lathe)", ... confuse



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The TTR is still looking good 2 years after its rebuild. It is used on the road only and is my "shopping" bike wink

I took it for its annual MOT today and it sailed through with just an advisory on some loose spokes on the front wheel. Now that's going to be difficult to resolve as I had the wheels shot blasted and powder coated. I have a suspicion that it isn't going to be easy tightening them up so a whole new spoke set might be on the horizon no

I was very pleased with the result of the original powder coating but, in retrospect, I should have got the wheels back after shot blasting to check and tighten any loose spokes before they were powder coated. The action of shot blasting takes a small layer of metal off and the powder coating would have initially filled any gaps. However, with the continual flexing in use some have worked loose. Lesson learned!

I rebuilt a rear wheel wheel some while ago and put it on for the MOT to get it checked out. My MOT man is very hot on wheels and can spot loose spokes, run out and any dinks in the rims from a mile off so a good man to check my handiwork and am pleased he was entirely happy with it biggrin

Just got to sort those spokes on the front wheel now....

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They should turn shouldn't they? Might be stiff turning them on the coated thread I can imagine yeah...Might not be worth it if its going to chip the powdercoat...disbelief



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Cool! I took my TTR for MOT on Saturday, sailed through with an advisory on the front pads being slightly low and the disc slightly scored. I think I have a new set of pads for the TTR somewhere, but I can't remember if it's a front or rear set. The CRM 250 went for MOT on Saturday too, that had loose spokes mentioned, he said he should fail it, but knew I'd be back again in 20 minutes with tightened spokes, so just lent me a 6mm spanner there and then. The Cub C70 and Varadero 125 sailed through with no mention of anything, must be something to do with road use only. biggrin The spokes on my CRM, one or two just turn inside the rim and won't tighten down, so perhaps the spokes have worked themselves loose inside the rim, that I can't see.


I'm surprised you're running a knobblie on the back if it's road use only? I have an Avon Distanzia on the back of my road set of wheels, because I can't justify the wear of knobblies. That and the commute home tonight was so much fun with the warm, dry roads and the tyres getting stickier than I've had them since September, I didn't realise how much lean was in them. I also never realised how good the TTR is with a pillion until about an hour ago, I always thought that the pegs were just for show, but apparently, if you're 5'4" it's not that bad crouched away back there and the engine didn't struggle as much as I thought it would, the braking just needed a touch more fore-thought. More and more I think about turning the TTR into a road-going bike only for small touring stuff, like weekends away and bits.

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I'm surprised you're running a knobblie on the back if it's road use only? I have an Avon Distanzia on the back of my road set of wheels, because I can't justify the wear of knobblies. 


The knobbly was what was on the rim. The wheel will be put back to go on a project bike at some stage and I will put the original wheel back in with its road tyre wink 

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Just spent two hours reading this Brian, Brilliant work and write up mate, almost makes me sad I bought a TTR that was working!! I am curious, about the engine blasting and painting, can that be done with a complete engine, or just one that had all the innards removed like yours??

 

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Just spent two hours reading this Brian, Brilliant work and write up mate, almost makes me sad I bought a TTR that was working!! I am curious, about the engine blasting and painting, can that be done with a complete engine, or just one that had all the innards removed like yours?? 

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Thanks Rick! That refurb took a lorra time but I learnt a lot in the process.

I can't think of any reason not to soda blast and paint the engine without dismantling it. The paint would cover everything though and make future work more difficult because of the way the paint covers all the casing joins etc. It has stood up really well to the test of time but I don't think I would do it that way again. The time and cost wouldn't justify it. 

The important thing would be to cut the time between soda blasting and having the engine back in the frame and running to as little as possible just in case any soda finds its way into the engine. You will have seen my photo of the rust on the barrel.

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with the indicator buzzer if you connect the buzzer earth to the stop light wire the buzzer doesn't make a noise while the brakes are applied , let the brakes off and the noise returns great for sitting at intersections .I used it on the Australia post bikes I used to wire up and also on my bikes and scooters

 

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I got quoted 400 nicker for vapour cleaning my xs650 engine by someone local disbelief I bought some bungs, wrapped everything dodgy in tape, and gave it a good scrub with Gunk and wire brushes, then jet washed it to within a millimetre of it's life. Came up good.

 

 

 



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with the indicator buzzer if you connect the buzzer earth to the stop light wire the buzzer doesn't make a noise while the brakes are applied , let the brakes off and the noise returns great for sitting at intersections. I used it on the Australia post bikes I used to wire up and also on my bikes and scooters

an easy mod and makes the mates think your an electrical guru smile 


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Brian, do you use the Yamaha workshop manual for your work, or another such as the haynes one??

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Yamaha workshop manual - best of any car/motorcycle manuals I have used!

Started on the front wheel this morning - nearly all spokes were loose.

Tried to get the spoke nipples moving to no avail. Life's too short for some things so I got the disc cutter out biggrin

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My next job line up wink

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You may as well stick a guide to lacing and truing a wheel on now then Brian!biggrin That is quite a lot of weights you got on the wheel there....



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OK Pete - just gotta remember to take pics! Regarding the weights, I wouldn't bother on a dirt bike but this one is for road use only and it just makes it a bit more comfortable to ride biggrin

Halfway putting the spokes in - bit like knitting...

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All the spokes in loose and time for lunch!

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Time to get the wheel balancer out now!

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I am lucky to have a wheel balancer. It has paid for itself after just a few wheel rebuilds in terms of saving on time, delay and cost in taking a wheel to a professional for rebuilding.

First off, mount the wheel in the machine. There are two cones on the support spindle that fix into the centre of the wheel bearings so it's not really possible to do the job without wheel bearings fitted. The wheel must be able to spin freely with no up/down or side-to-side movement. At this point I ran the wheel around and took out all the free play on the nipples with a cross-head screwdriver so that they spokes were firm but not tight.

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Next up is to adjust the pointer so that it is as close to the bottom of the rim as possible. The first job is to check that the rim is central on the hub. Adjust the nipples until the wheel can spin freely with the pointer nearly touching the rim and no high or low spots. The spokes aren't under tension at this stage so are easily adjusted. Let the high part of the rim sit at the bottom and then give the 4 or 5 nipples at the top of the wheel a quarter to half a tightening turn each depending on how much movement you need.

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Next on the agenda is to adjust the spokes to take out any sideways movement so the rim runs true.

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This is as much easier job with new spokes and nipples as everything moves freely and its quite a quick, although repetitive, job.

Once happy that the rim is running true, I did a final nip up of about a quarter turn on all the nipples and checked by tapping each spoke with the adjuster that they "rang" pretty much the same.

Back on with the tyre (Avon Distanza) taking care to get the rotation arrow going in the right direction!

Job jobbed biggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrin

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PS Fitted the wheel and road tested it to the Post Office and it's fine. No need to re-balance - nice and smooth biggrinbiggrin

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Will it now need balancing, Brian? confuse

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Yeah that is surprising that you didn't have to re balance it. Did you put the tyre back on in the exact same position or something?

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I bet its co's the weights are opposite the rim lock.... Well if that's what the other valve looking thingie is anyway!! or is that the valve :)



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I bet its co's the weights are opposite the rim lock.... Well if that's what the other valve looking thingie is anyway!! or is that the valve :)


 Yep - the weights are to counter balance the rim lock. Not sure why I put it back in bearing in mind its a road bike confuse

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Quite often tyres have a heavy point on them and if you take the tyre off and do not put it back on in the same place it will be out of balance.

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Oh dear. You guys are more perceptive than me. I stupidly put the tyre clamp right by the weights disbelief

May just take the clamp out coz it's not really needed.

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with the indicator buzzer if you connect the buzzer earth to the stop light wire the buzzer doesn't make a noise while the brakes are applied , let the brakes off and the noise returns great for sitting at intersections .


I got the tank off at the moment and was going to re-connect the buzzer earth but not sure which stop light wire to connect to confuse

Can you advise please?

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cant offer a colour as I'm in bed  it's late evening lol 

The earth just needs to be connected to the wire running to the stop light ie anywhere on the light side (after the switches)  



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Glutton for punishment no

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Got the new spokes in now and remembered that there were two different length (by only a small amount) spoke sizes and to insert them in the right places wink

The spokes on the older TTRs seem to rust whereas the ones on the blue TTRs don't seem affected. Maybe they are stainless steel - anyone know for sure?

Balancing and tightening up to be done. I am going to leave the rim lock out this time and managed to find the correct grommet to fill the hole. I will fit a new rim tape and hope I can get the tyre back on without pinching the tube.....



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cant offer a colour as I'm in bed  it's late evening lol 

The earth just needs to be connected to the wire running to the stop light ie anywhere on the light side (after the switches)  


 Sorry Les but I still can't fathom out how it would work. When the brake lights aren't on surely the buzzer won't have an earth connection confuse 



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cant offer a colour as I'm in bed  it's late evening lol 

iThe earth just needs to be connected to the wire running to the stop light ie anywhere on the light side (after the switches)  


 Sorry Les but I still can't fathom out how it would work. When the brake lights aren't on surely the buzzer won't have an earth connection confuse 


 this is this is my chance to say trust me . as the buzzer draws a small currentit will easily earth through the bulb with out lighting it as soon as the brakes are appied the voltage on.the earth side of the buzzer   will go to 12 and with no drop across the buzzer it stops untill you release the brake .

i wont let this go untill your sorted mate cause its cool when its done 



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cant offer a colour as I'm in bed  it's late evening lol 

iThe earth just needs to be connected to the wire running to the stop light ie anywhere on the light side (after the switches)  


 Sorry Les but I still can't fathom out how it would work. When the brake lights aren't on surely the buzzer won't have an earth connection confuse 


 this is this is my chance to say trust me . as the buzzer draws a small currentit will easily earth through the bulb with out lighting it as soon as the brakes are appied the voltage on.the earth side of the buzzer   will go to 12 and with no drop across the buzzer it stops untill you release the brake .

i wont let this go untill your sorted mate cause its cool when its done 


 I now understand - thanks Les! I will let you know how I get on biggrin



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Job jobbed!

Can anyone advise a suitable tyre pressure for the Avon Distanza for road use only please?

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2.3 bar 33psi

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Thanks for the quick response Pete!

I guessed 35lbs so not far out biggrin



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Brian - WOW! I just ran across this thread. What a mind blowing rebuild! Tons of valuable information. If you were local I'd buy you a case of beer. I think shipping to the UK would kill me though! Outstanding job Sir!

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Thank you for the kind words Brandon - much appreciated biggrin

This was the first frame up rebuild that I did and I am using the TTR regularly so am getting the benefit!

Brian

PS Maybe I can collect that case of beer (or drink it with you) when I get over to the States again wink



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Yamaha state 29psi front/rear for my XT660R if thats any help...

Thats for a 170kg bike... so I would have thought 30psi would be

max on a light TTR... you do want the tire to flatten out very slightly

to give a good tyre contact patch with the road...



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Tyre pressures reduced to just under 30lbs wink

I also took the tyre clamp out of the front wheel and re-positioned the valve opposite the weights. It was possible to reduce the number of weights as well so all good!

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Great job TTRFan!! Absolutely GREAT information in this thread. This will help me enormously with my own bike repair. Thanks a lot!!

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The TTR failed its MOT this morning. There is a crack in the RH bearing housing as shown in the photo below. So my job this afternoon is to strip out the wheel and lace in a replacement hub!

I genuinely hadn't spotted the crack and can't think what caused it confuse

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To many pastieswinkwinkwink



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Road pothole.



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Probably a combination of both disbelief

Anyways up, the fix took a lot longer than expected cry

I didn't have a spare front hub so had to rob one off another wheel that had a cracked rim.

36 spokes needed to be released and I managed to get about a quarter undone without the spoke snapping. Took ages.

Cleaned up hub and fitted new bearings and seals. Not my day as the bearings did NOT want to come out.

Removed tyre and tube from the wheel with the damaged hub and stripped out the spokes. This was a lot easier as it wasn't long ago I fitted a new set of spokes.

Laced up the "new" hub to the old powder-coated rim but got the sequencing wrong so undid the lot and started again. 36 spokes remember no

Balanced and trued the wheel, fitted the brake disc and refitted the tyre and tube making sure that I got the direction of rotation correct.

Fitted wheel to bike after leaving it out for a while to make sure it was holding air.

Job done but, having listed the steps, I can see why it took so long!

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I am hoping I can book it in for a retest tomorrow but we will see.

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Now that I have sold Totally TTRs the "shopping" TTR can be moved on. I no longer need it for the daily run (when it was dry!) to the Post Office or for testing digital speedos and their associated senders (Steve has his own white TTR to use for this).

There seems to be a better market for trail TTRs so the bike has been converted from this:

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to this:

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The conversion involved removing the mirrors, rack and top box and fitting grab handles, a new Totally TTRs sump guard, 13/48 gearing and trail tyres front and rear. It already has Dakar High bars, handguards, rear disc guard and frame guards.

Just to recap and update on the project:

The TTR was originally a white metal-tanked model and has been updated using the tank, side panels, mudguards and seat from the later blue model.

It has had a complete nut and bolt rebuild starting with a powder coated frame

The engine was completely rebuilt and taken out to 263cc.

In the rebuild the TTR was fitted with:

  1. Motad after-market exhaust (100% stainless steel) and a Totally TTRs shorty header pipe
  2. Aluminium decompressor plug
  3. Sprag clutch, starter gears and starter motor
  4. Main bearings, big end bearing, conrod and rebored to 263cc
  5. Gear-change and transmission shaft oil seals
  6. Cam chain
  7. Swing arm and linkage bearings and seals
  8. Chain slider
  9. Steering head bearings and seals
  10. Fork oil and dust seals
  11. Complete new genuine Yamaha seat 
  12. Polisport fork gaiters
  13. Renthal Dakar bars
  14. Symtec heated grips – heated pads that fit under the grips with two heat settings
  15. Totally TTRs special long clutch and throttle cables made by Venhill
  16. Hel braided front brake hose
  17. Renthal R3 chain and (13/48) sprockets with chrome counter-sunk bolts on the rear sprocket
  18. Wheel rims and hubs powder coated and re-spoked
  19. Wheel bearings and seals
  20. Mudguard brace
  21. ProGrip wrap-around handguards and grips
  22. D&D full graphics kit
  23. Totally TTRs full sump guard (the best on the market!)
  24. Totally TTRs rear disc guard and stainless steel (not lightweight aluminium) frame guards.

The engine and gearbox unit have been soda blasted and painted in two-pack paint with lacquer finish.

The TTR has the original digital speedo and warning light cluster. It has been fitted with a DRD “speedo healer” which makes the speedo read in mph. The speedo sender has also been fitted with the Totally TTRs aluminium cover that allows a better view of the front sprocket and improved access for cleaning.

It will be nice to have a bit of extra room in the garage when it goes biggrinbiggrinbiggrin

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Sold tonight and will be off to its new home in North Devon at the weekend biggrin



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Just saw that this thread has had just under 37.000 hits - amazing shocked.gif



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